Have you tried Sudoku yet? It is a wonderful "brain - game." Using the numbers 1 - 9, you have to place each digit so that you have one of every number in every row and in every square (3 blocks by 3 blocks). Here is my question .... could you make a game similar to Sudoku using any other numbers ( Would 1 - 5 work?) Are there specific rules or guidelines? Is there a limit to the number of puzzles that can be created?
Some of the answers to these questions may be obvious to you, but not to others. What are your thoughts on this?
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shakespeare
Just a brain game? Not really. Anyone can do Sudoku, or any other number puzzles. It does involve logic, however, to be able to complete these types of things, and it can prove difficult for some people (like myself). However, whether these puzzles are difficult or simple, they are very addicting and fun to do.
Other types of number puzzles are magic squares. Using a 3X3 grid and numbers 1-9 only once each, one must make every row, vertical, horizontal, and diagonal. Try it sometime. It's pretty fun.
ummm... shakespeare was my mistake... sorry.
I agree with shannon on how Sudoku is not just a brain game, but a logic game. You need to be able to put the numbers into spots without repeating them, as everyone knows. It needs to include both an equal amount of logic and brains to be able to help you out in finding the answer.
I dont think having 1-5 as the numbers would work becuase i think you would need some number that can a greatest common factor in it so that the numbers can be equally dispersed on a grid.I would also think that there would be a limit, but it would take a really long time for you to get there for most games.
Apparently we think too hard on these assignments... yes, logic is a mind game.
i LOVE sudoku! it really gives my brain a workout, and i love the feeling of accomplishment that comes after i finish. i'm not that good, yet, but i'm getting better! :)
I am not very adept at Sudoku, either. I am not a very logical person; I am much more creatively inclined, which makes math much more difficult for me in general. I do not like the fact that there is, and can only be, one answer to a problem. It is so much for interesting to me to be able to think for myself and come up with my own answers. But I can also understand how others enjoy the certainty of mathematics rather than the... esoterity (vagueness, abstractness) of other another subject, like Language Arts.
I will do sudoku occasionally, when I am bored. It is surprisingly entertaining. I can't seem to finish any that are higher than the easy level however...
Logic puzzles/games are simply patterns. Everything in math is a pattern. So basically math is just one giant logic puzzle/game. Sudoku is math because it is a pattern with numbers. If you wanted to you could make 2+2 a number game, because it's a pattern with numbers. Everything we're doing in algebra right now is a pattern. The possibilities for these "algebra games" are endless. Sudoku and games like it are all math because they involve number patterns.
I think that sudoku is not just a math game it is also a logic game. You don't need to just use math to figure it out you need to use what you know about patterns. I agree with juliana that math right now is a pattern and if we learn the pattern now it will help us when we advance in math.
sudoku can be both frustrating and rewarding...I try to stick to easy soduku, althouth some adults that I know try to challenge me on the harder ones (you know, the ones in the newspaper that don't have enough diffuculty stars at the bottom.) I find it a "good waste of time" during sudy hall, Mrs. kasprzyk's lectures (just kidding!), or just a healthy break in between subjets for homework.
I agree with terra and Juliana personally i dont care for sudoku i think its too hard but i dont think it really has that much to do with math as it does to do with logic! Because like the only real thing it has to do with math is like patterns and the fact that its numbers because if they said use letters a-i then it would still be the same game just with different symbols so the only that math has to do with the game is differnt patterns and combinations of adding numbers. But i guess it woudnt hurt to do sudoku it just gets ur mind thinking out of the box and different from the normal things like 2+2 or 2-1.
Has anyone heard of a magic square? I mentioned it in a different post. Using numbers 1-9 only once and a 3X3 grid, you try to make those numbers equal 15 vertically, horizontally, and diagonally. Try it sometime.
I am really pleased with many of the comments! The discussion on "math" vs "logic" is interesting... There is an entire branch of mathematics devoted to logic. I thought Julianna's comment was very insightful. Patterns is a major theme in math.
Shannon has mentioned one type of magic square using the numbers 1 - 9. The "target" number changes depending on which numbers you use. If you use the numbers 1 - 16, you have a target number of 34. If you use the numbers 1 - 25, you have a target number of 65. It is a pattern (or formula).
I think that Suduku can be challenging at times. I had gotten the electronic suduku for when i went to washington dc. i never relized how hard it was when i went from easy to hard. On easy it would blink if it was the wrong number but on hard it didn't. I probrably only won twice on hard it was challenging at times.
i think that you use mathe every time you play any straigy evin thoe you don't think about it
nick
I play sudoku often. I think it is a fun game that involves a bit of challenging math. When reading the directions for the first time it sounds easy... until you actually start. My method towards solving it, is to try and fill up one box, then finish based off that box. Although, it isn't always that easy. When method A fails, I try to get all of one number done. Then there is something to base it off of. I'm not a huge fan of math, but I love sudoku!!!
I play sudoku occasionally and like to do sudoku! I mostly like it when i finish one. I agree that sudoku is not just a math game but it is a logic game.
My method to solving Sudoku is filling it in row by row, always taking notice of which numbers I need to include in the boxes. It's frustrating, because often times I think I am doing extremely well until I get to the last two rows. Then I notice all of my mistakes. Annoying.
I tried playing sudoku once and it frustrated the heck out of me. I wasn't able to process everything in my head in order to finish it. I do also belive that it involves a bit of logic to play more so than math.
I agree with Bryan, the game looks easy at first but then as you are moving on you found out that you broke one of the rules. I also agree with Bryan on saying it does not really do with math. Sudoku is a thinking game.
sudoku is a brain game and a logic game. you need to know which number to put in each square. math games are endless, you could be very good at math but not able to understand the patterns which you would not be as good at these games.
Sudoku is a logic game you must really think about it. Im not real good at the game but for the most part understand the concept. i dont think 1-5 would work because you would have to find a G.C.F and it would be a very long game to finish.
I totally agree with connor, there are endless amounts of math games. YOu can't find many games that don't involve some sort of math.
when I play sudoku, my strategy is to fill in the boxes before the rows. Although sometimes the problem doesn't give me enough info to compleet the problem, like in math.
I don't think they really are just math they touch on your logic, listening skills, reading ability and stuff like that. Even though there are some games that require using math there are still other skills needed to use the game like i said before. And any one can do them they just have to be able to count and read directions like sudoku. So i pretty much agree with everyone above and all the stuff i said.
i agree. you have to use things other than math to figure out games. You have to use scientific thinking. For example, you are playing suduku and you have to figure out the puzzle. You can use scientific thinking to get you through the problem faster.
I agree,levi. Not only in math games but in real life situations math can be helpful. You have to use higher thinking skills in many games and it's important for making decisions in life as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think that these games are just brain games and nothing more, there is no math to them. Sudoku for instance, is using the numbers 1-9 repeatedly, in a pattern, but you aren't adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing, so these games can't be considered math!
This is Taylor L.
I agree with Mariah. I believe sudoku is just cioncidence. It's not real math. Just because it involves numbers doesn't mean it's math.
i have never tried suduko before. to me it looks confusing.
to me sudoku puzzles are all the same. it gets really boring after a while. although it does challenge you.
Yes it is because games are there to help kids get smarter by using games like suduko, monopoly, life, and many more. Sometimes though people don't think that games are logical helpers but they think that the kids use the game as an excuse to not do chores, homework, or anything else. The kids think that some of the games are to using your brain and some games aren't. Kids have logic but adults don't see that but the kids try to use some games that have money, or amount in the game. Some kids ask, "WHY DO I NEED TO LEARN THIS? I'M NOT GOING TO NEED THIS IN THE FUTURE." Some kids agree with this but some kids don't. I don't agree with this because math can help you understand how to measure, amount, money, distance and many more.
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